QuickTold: Confirmed: Apple is a cult. The flip side: Productivity trumps religion.

Tip by Anonymous, Pseudonymous | Added 2010-08-04, 12:29 PM | 14 Replies

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> Anonymous 08/04/10(Wed)15:14 No.8595 
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>You may feel the heat, literally

I lold furiously
> Anonymous 08/04/10(Wed)15:21 No.8597 
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Told by Fox? What the fuck?
> Anonymous 08/04/10(Wed)15:53 No.8598 
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OH THE TOLD!
> Anonymous 08/04/10(Wed)18:53 No.8604 
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look at the comments, you could literally cut the butthurt with a knife
> Anonymous 08/04/10(Wed)19:04 No.8606 
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>>1. Productivity trumps religion
>>Yet, depending on how a company uses Macs, trying to integrate the computers into a company's workflow can kill productivity, Keanini said. The applications never quite match up, data has to be massaged to be useful, and the company has to design work-arounds for each issue, he said.
True, even more so when you are working with other companies. If someone like the government uses special Windows software or even Office 2010, you can not afford to waste their time with compatibility issues.

>>2. Work-arounds waste time
>>One company engineer woke up Keanini the night before presentation slides were due for a conference, his voice cracking with stress, because his slides -- exported from Apple's Keynote presentation application to Microsoft PowerPoint -- looked nothing like they had on the Mac

>>3. It's hard to abandon favorite tools
>>You may become quite attached to a Windows application or two and decide that Apple doesn't have a comparable equivalent.
Nothing to say here, other then that it is no surprise considering how huge the Windows market is to OSX.

>>4. The Hotel California factor
>>"The designers of Mac -- again, this is their priesthood -- are not thinking about letting their users go," Keanini said. "It's like Hotel California: They are not expecting you to leave."
>>Companies that move over to the Mac OS X should expect to spend a lot of time converting data if they decide to move back to Windows, Keanini said.
True, but doing so helps fix #1, #2, and #3 in the long run.

>>5. You may feel the heat, literally
Eh, I would say hardware support would be a better reason, with PCs you can easily and quickly obtain/fix/etc parts without spending a fortune.
> Updated, rear-sore "flipside" reply Anonymous 08/04/10(Wed)19:18 No.8608 
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Noticed the last article points to:
http://blogs.computerworld.com/5_reasons_to_ditch_the_mac_and_return_to_pcs... 
>>if you consider the time it takes to run Spyware and Virus checks, having to OK every network transaction (on Vista) and waking up in the morning to find your PC has restarted to install an update.
You mean like a night? My local college seems to have the tools and such in place...

>>Again we are talking more about migrating to Mac rather than the reverse. For Powerpoint, if you want a perfect Powerpoint document, use Powerpoint for Mac. If you want an amazing multimedia presentation that blows awayanything your clients have ever seen, use Keynote. Because Powerpoint doesn't have all of the multimedia capabilities of Keynote, the "dumbing down" process will net some lost information.
Funny thing, why even bother with the Mac version of Powerpoint? There are times when programs like Powerpoint for the Mac doesn't output the same as the Windows version.

3. It's hard to abandon favorite tools
>>The thing is, when I am on a Mac and I need a PC program, I just install it in Parallels or VMWare (or Bootcamp or CrossOver) - it runs at native speed and in coherence mode, I forget that it is a PC application.
So again, the solution is to install and use Windows....

>>4. The Hotel California factor
Nothing to say here.

>>5. You may feel the heat, literally
Nothing to say here, except to point out this quote
>>This type of list is the product of a bygone era. Misconceptions that have been proven false for years or nitpicking a flaw of past hardware aren't going to help anyone make a good business decision.
> Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)17:11 No.8634 
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>Fair and Balanced

Seriously? That's their tagline?
> Anonymous 08/05/10(Thu)22:59 No.8635 
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>>8634
Its no different to how East Germany referred to themselves as the German 'Democratic' Republic, regardless of the amount of Stasi informants, assets and agents per capita.

If they truly were fair and balanced, it'd go without saying.
> DUjvrtWhQZYYsfPlW Anonymous 02/06/12(Mon)21:25 No.9520 
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So between the Mac Mini and the Mac Pro we could have… the Mac. Short and simple. I like it. I doubt Apple will give up the iMac line though…
> sRrUElUYHYg Anonymous 02/07/12(Tue)01:18 No.9531 
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@Maximilian: Firefox brhcaees the Mac OS X guidelines also. The entire toolbar area should be draggable (as in Safari). I’m not sure what you mean by ‘length’. It’s certainly taller, but in forcing users to target an area for dragging, it slows people down, and it’s also inconsistent. Users will drag on the toolbar buttons and be confused when the drag action does not work. (Alternatively, some users probably won’t think they can move the window at all.)As noted, I do find the actual process of installation pleasing, and this is a great bonus (at least for apps Apple allows on the store), but I wish Apple took as much care with everything, including application interfaces. It’s pretty clear from the likes of GarageBand, Mail, iTunes and the new Mac App Store that Apple doesn’t care about its own guidelines, nor consistency, nor, sadly, even particularly good UI design. Frankly, it’s as bad as Adobe now, which is a huge pity.@Jared: That argument is one I see all the time, and I no longer agree with it. People made the argument that brushed metal was how Mac OS X would be, so people went with it. And so on through various botched bits of iLife/iWork, odd scrollbars here and there, missing toolbars, iTunes mini window controls, and more. As a full-window app, the Mac App Store does sort of make more sense, but only on a screen under 15″.As for colours and clarity, I’ve had precisely one complaint since Revert to Saved was redesigned, and I amended the contrast and colour settings accordingly.
> fZIBbUydDTtlROc Anonymous 02/07/12(Tue)04:13 No.9538 
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On César’s list, I agree with most of it. A wish-list will sulery show up at some point. The lack of price-tags irks (although I understand why Apple did this); still, you can copy the link, paste it into Safari and view the Mac App Store preview page if you want to see a price-tag. Autocomplete sucks on the iOS store, so I’m not shocked it does here (and the same for recommendations, which on both stores could do with a seriously robust tagging system and much better categorisation.)I’m with Ben on the search field though—it seems pretty prominent to me. I hate the toolbar, but imagine it looks a lot nicer on a laptop than my iMac, at least if you force the app to full-screen using Cinch or some other window manager.
> fLCIGkBKLfEw Anonymous 02/08/12(Wed)09:06 No.9631 
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If I communicated I could thank you eoungh for this, I'd be lying.
> jkdXLtMDztaZWOQi Anonymous 02/09/12(Thu)03:30 No.9647 
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here to see the ogiainrl: Mac OS X 10.7 is very close to release | iFunia News Blog Share and
> uKsjPkLJNVQTJMsnXGQ Anonymous 02/10/12(Fri)08:16 No.9707 
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Thanks for lieavng a comment Alan. It was the minimum I could do to give credit to your professionalism and excellent service.